I’m heartbroken about Mel Gibson. I defended him for a long time against accusations of anti-Semitism, and it was a defensible position.
But after what he said, it isn’t defensible anymore. I was wrong; he WAS an anti-Semite all that time. He DID agree with his dad. He was just more clever about hiding it than his old man was.
About the only valid defense left for Mel is that, perhaps, he’s conflicted in his beliefs. Maybe he only partly believes the things he said – maybe that’s why when he’s sober and collected he says one thing, but when he’s drunk and angry he says something different. Maybe. In any event, that’s between him and God to work out.
I suspect that people defending him right now are similarly heartbroken. After you invest a lot of emotional energy in defending something against what you perceive to be a wrongful attack, it’s very difficult to move that energy from the “noble crusade” column to the “stupid mistake” column. Not everyone can do it quickly, and so I hope we can have a charitable attitude towards those who may be struggling to justify their own past actions now.
I’ve always been a strong advocate for Jewish-Christian friendship and reconciliation, and it kills me that Gibson’s idiocy is going to damage the prospects for that in the short and medium terms. I’m sorry I ever defended him, and I wish that he had done a much poorer job of concealing his views, so that he would have been “outed” a long time ago.
Creative Destruction 
No way to prove this, but I wonder if we don’t all harbor one nasty prejudice or more, consciously or unconsciously. To outgrow them, you need to admit to them, if only privately. And doin just that can be hard, queasy-making, yet barely scratch the surface. Getting over one’s prejudices, I think, involves a solitary thought, as well as the nerve to walk into a group you find strange, and which most likely finds you stranger yet, intending to discover how much you share. What stuff about your separate lives is the same? Once the bitterness is tamed a little you and a friend, which you might not have befriended without making a conscious effort, can laugh about the ridiculous stereotypes.
Years ago, I knew Catholics as convservative as Mel Gibson who expressed outrage and fury by spitting out, “God Bless It!” That was the exact opposite of how they felt. Saying the correct words doesn’t get close to the real trouble. Prejudice develops out of fear, ignorance, and cliques that secretly or not, reinforce all our false bravado. We’re all afraid, and sometimes stupid.
If people could talk about prejudice without being sanctimonious or angry, without shame or automatic denial, eventually its evil power would die.
Comment by grasshopper — August 2, 2006 @ 9:59 am |
I am again caused to reflect upon the putative virtue of loyalty.
I can’t recall reading any of Bob’s defenses of Mel Gibson, so I can’t speak to them specifically. But I could well imagine Bob arguing that people had insufficient information to pass judgment on Gibson, and that it is inappropriate to judge him as guilty simply because of his association with his less reputable father. And if Bob made such defenses, I would not fault him for them now. I would not fault anyone for exhorting his fellows to refrain from passing judgment until after the evidence was presented; to the contrary, I would expect nothing less of Bob.
On the other hand, people who tie themselves not to principle, but rather to individuals or groups or institutions, must rise and fall with those individuals, groups and institutions. As I strive to align myself more closely to my principles, I strive to align myself less closely to any individual, group or institution. That is, I strive to avoid loyalty.
Admittedly, this is easy for me to say on this occasion. I have not invested much emotional energy in Mel Gibson, or in Jewish/Christian relations; nor for that matter have I yet heard specifically what Gibson said. Thus unburdened by facts, I’m not feeling any special need to respond to Gibson’s actions. To me, he’s just an entertainer. I hope all people can transcend their prejudices; I recognize that they won’t do so any time soon; and I don’t have any different expectations of entertainers than of anyone else.
Honestly, what harm did Gibson do? The world did not become any more or less prejudiced because of Gibson’s actions; we just became more educated about the level of prejudice that exists. We are perhaps sadder but wiser. Is that such a bad thing?
Comment by nobody.really — August 2, 2006 @ 7:31 pm |
I hate Mel Gibson I was rtight he has been a meniacle bastard the whole time.
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:39 am |
I don’t care about what people say about his achohol intakke causeing him to say those anti semitic remarks. Alcohol does not make you say things you do not mean. It makes you say things that you feeel but just would never say out loud.
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:44 am |
sorry for the spelling errors before my keyboard is messed up.
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:46 am |
The best part in the whole story is that the cop who arrested him was jewish.
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:47 am |
As a jew I can safely say I will never see another Mel Gibson movie. I call opon all other semetic and non-semetic people to boycott all Mel Gibson movies. We must all stand together to stop this hatred.
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:50 am |
On the plus side we know Steven Speilburgh will never hire him for a movie
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:52 am |
Even if the bottom line is disrupted I believe producers should stop allowing Mel Gibson to be in their movies.
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:54 am |
everything Marissa said makes perfect since we should join together and sart a boycott.
Comment by Steve — August 3, 2006 @ 10:55 am |
Actually I wrote that last comment I just thought a second person would help my case.
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:57 am |
How many comments do I have to right before some one responds to them?
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:57 am |
I’m getting sick of typing will someone else please post a “Mel Gibson Sucks” realated commment.
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 10:59 am |
Am I the only person on the internet that knows what a bastard mel Gibson is?
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 11:00 am |
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Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 11:01 am |
A comment that is straight to the point!
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 11:02 am |
You know in the photo from when he was arreseted he even looks like Osama BinLadin, and we all know how wonderful he feels about the jewish people!!!
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 11:12 am |
Let me just give you more comment that is short sweet and to the point he is a bastard Mel Gibon sucks!
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 11:14 am |
Comment by Marissa — August 3, 2006 @ 11:18 am |
Marissa, that’s enough. Thank you for your comments. We now understand – thoroughly – your point of view. Please stop now.
Comment by Robert — August 3, 2006 @ 11:22 am |
Look at the bright side, Robert. Marissa just improved our Google ranking for the phrase “Mel Gibson sucks”. By a few orders of magnitude.
Comment by Off Colfax — August 3, 2006 @ 3:30 pm |
Heh. We are in fact #3 for “mel gibson sucks” on Google. Well done, Marissa.
Comment by Robert — August 3, 2006 @ 3:33 pm |
Heck, I’d expect you’d top the charts for “Gibson sucks! Mel” but oddly Google returns no results.
Comment by nobody.really — August 3, 2006 @ 4:12 pm |
Actually, I disagree. I think it is possible to say things when drunk that are antithetical to what you really believe. Especially when you’ve been raised with a form of bigotry that you truly believe to be wrong but have heard regularly since birth.
Of course, I may cling to this because my alcoholic father said some incredibly awful things to me when he still drank. (He’s been clean and sober for ten years – GO DAD!!)
Either way, I do think he’s done a damn fine job of apologizing the right way. No “Sorry if anyone was offended!”, just “Wow, I’m an ass. How can I fix this?”
Comment by AlieraKieron — August 5, 2006 @ 9:18 pm |
I think Aliera is right that not everything people say when drunk is true. I think that loss of inhibitiion includes saying things that you don’t believe are true but that you do believe will hurt. In some cases people who are drunk are people who are hurting, and they want to hurt in turn.
If Gibson’s father was anti-Jewish then Gibson is probably tuned into Jewish names and what Jewish people supposedly look like, so if the policeman dealing with Gibson was Jewish Gibson may have resorted to Jewish slurs just to poke at the guy arresting him.
I also suspect many of us harbor prejudices we despise, just because we were raised that way, and that these are “automatic responses” rather than chosen ones. It may be Gibson is automatically prejudiced but consciously fights that tendency, because he believes that automatic response to be morally wrong.
Or he could be a total racist. Who knows?
Comment by shiloh — August 16, 2006 @ 3:09 pm |
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IT JUST CAN NOT BE SAID ENOUGH!!!!
Comment by Mr.Kanz — September 25, 2006 @ 8:24 pm |
You guys need to log on more.
[Umpteen other comments, most of which consist of the phrase “Mel Gibson sucks”, removed.]
Comment by Marissa — December 3, 2006 @ 11:09 am |
Marissa, you’ve been warned before. Here’s another warning. Stop doing this.
Comment by bobhayes — December 3, 2006 @ 12:37 pm |
[Obscenely anti-Mel comment expunged. Come, children, play nicely.]
Comment by James — June 20, 2007 @ 3:43 am |
Mel Gibson sucks! Mel Gibson sucks! Mel Gibson sucks! That’s all I have time for.
BTW It’s my pleasure to inform you that you are now #1 on Google! Congratulations!:)
Comment by David — August 25, 2007 @ 3:53 pm |
We rule!
Comment by Robert — August 25, 2007 @ 3:56 pm |
Dare I say it? Mel Gibson Sucks! – nice thread, people.
Comment by Frodo — February 16, 2008 @ 5:28 pm |
I’m an Australian and am surprised that you guys weren’t aware of Mel Gibson’s extreme, fascist views. He’s a member of an uber right-wing section of the Catholic Church. I’m embarassed that he grew up in Australia and am glad he’s an American citizen, just like that other ex-Australian fascist, Rupert Murdoch (who renounced his citizenship in order to broaden the scope of his US business opportunities but still feels qualified to bully successive Australian governments into doing his bidding).
What disgusts me is that, being a sexist, racist homophobe, Gibson is still willing to allow his Dendy Cinema chain in Australia to host the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras film festival. He hates gay people but isn’t above suspending his beliefs in the interests of profit.
Comment by Davey Cobber — March 2, 2010 @ 7:30 am |