Creative Destruction

October 13, 2006

Well, I suppose It Was Inevitable

Filed under: Blogosphere,Content-lite — Tuomas @ 5:09 pm

I just got banned at feministe. Zuzu mocked celebrities that adopt kids from the third world for just trying to be fashionable, I pointed out that similarly Zuzu (and any liberal multiculturalist doing anything for the benefit of non-white people) could be mocked for just trying to be fashionable for, say, doing post-Katrina charity work (which Zuzu did), which of course is apparently totally different.

(edited for typos)

23 Comments »

  1. Ah, the punishment for finding a genuine flaw in Zuzu’s thinking – banishment. Welcome to the Circle of Exiles.

    Comment by Robert — October 13, 2006 @ 6:32 pm | Reply

  2. I suppose it’s a kind of badge of pride.

    As the discussion progresses, it becomes readily apparent that the concept of enlightened self-interest is not understood by some there (as it isn’t the same as exploitation… duh).

    And now they’re arguing that Ewan McGregor’s transracial adoption was OK because he did it “noncelebrity manner” and is “not seeking approval” (and therefore gets approval), while on the other hand, Angelina Jolie gets to adopt a black baby because she has done good things for Africa in the past (=has sufficient leftist credentials).

    Perhaps she-who-is-not-to-be-named should have just written a post “Madonna And Britney Are Teh Suxor”, and be done with it.

    Also amusing is that in the latest feminist infighting about waxing pubic hair vs. au naturel (!) she-who-is-not-to-be-named is angry that other bloggers treat her co-blogger as some role model monkey in a cage, and proceeds to write a post about celebrities doing the exactly same thing about their choices.

    But they’re celebrities, so they deserve it, I guess.

    Comment by Tuomas — October 13, 2006 @ 9:36 pm | Reply

  3. The Great Echo Chambers, whether of the far right or far left of the political spectrum, simply loathe any alteration of the resonance.

    Banning someone for being horribly obnoxious, yes.

    Banning someone for simply disagreeing with you, no.

    I am suddenly glad that I have not granted that blog too many page views. But from the few clicks I’ve given them, they seem to be in the exact same train of thought as Pandagon was just after Jesse left. And from me, that is an insult, not a compliment.

    Comment by Off Colfax — October 14, 2006 @ 1:01 am | Reply

  4. Tuomas, Please come over to my site so I can have the pleasure of banning you. LOL!!!

    Comment by Rachel — October 14, 2006 @ 1:10 am | Reply

  5. It’s really too bad, too, because Feministe used to be a great place to get a feminist take on things from people willing to defend their ideas in an open inquiry. Lauren was always very good about being aware that she didn’t hold the keys to all knowledge, and Jill had potential in that direction. The new bloggers, unfortunately in my view, don’t have that type of humility.

    Comment by Robert — October 14, 2006 @ 1:10 am | Reply

  6. That goes for you too Robert🙂

    Comment by Rachel — October 14, 2006 @ 1:10 am | Reply

  7. According to the established rules of precedence, Rachel, you must first ban me before you ban Tuomas.

    Comment by Robert — October 14, 2006 @ 1:11 am | Reply

  8. Judging from the way you too are over at Alas, I would prefer to break that rule, and kick out Tuomas first. Robert has a better sense of humor.

    I can both laugh with him and at him. LOL!!! Tuomas, on the other hand, needs a good kick in the rear sometimes. Oh, wait I have a feeling he might like that.

    Comment by Rachel — October 14, 2006 @ 1:24 am | Reply

  9. you two, not too

    Comment by Rachel — October 14, 2006 @ 1:24 am | Reply

  10. I am also much better looking than Tuomas, and it is very rare that I need to post corrections to my grammar and spelling.

    That’s because I’m not a vile foreigner.

    Comment by Robert — October 14, 2006 @ 1:33 am | Reply

  11. I can both laugh with him and at him. LOL!!! Tuomas, on the other hand, needs a good kick in the rear sometimes. Oh, wait I have a feeling he might like that.

    Okay, I think you’ve made your point already!
    😉

    Comment by Tuomas — October 14, 2006 @ 1:43 am | Reply

  12. Come to think of it Rachel… I do have a very typically Eastern Finnish sense of humor (blunt, “un-pc”, but also ultimately good-natured and largely self-decrepating), whereas Robert seems to have a rather typical Anglosaxon sense of humor. And I hardly have to spell it out for you what exactly does that make you when you prefer Roberts sense of humor over mine, do I?

    Okay, on a more serious note:

    It’s really too bad, too, because Feministe used to be a great place to get a feminist take on things from people willing to defend their ideas in an open inquiry. Lauren was always very good about being aware that she didn’t hold the keys to all knowledge, and Jill had potential in that direction. The new bloggers, unfortunately in my view, don’t have that type of humility.

    I agree. I kept going back there because not only were the articles good, the debate was usually (if heated, and biased toward allowing ad homs on dissenters) quite good.

    It is telling that this was the final straw (been a commenter there for a long time, and said much worse), when she-who-is-not-to-be-named realized that indeed, the same standard she uses for celebrities could be used against her.

    It isn’t the act of disagreeing or ad hominems, but just like Robert implied, the act of making she-who-is-not-to-be-named look bad.

    I suppose I’ll check their site out every now and then even after this. Who knows, maybe it will inspire me to actually blog about something.

    Comment by Tuomas — October 14, 2006 @ 2:05 am | Reply

  13. Actually, I think Robert isn’t afraid to be self deprecating. Plus, he occasionaly agrees with me. LOL!!

    Comment by Rachel — October 14, 2006 @ 2:51 am | Reply

  14. I only do that to lure you in.

    Comment by Robert — October 14, 2006 @ 3:10 am | Reply

  15. Banning someone for being horribly obnoxious, yes.

    Banning someone for simply disagreeing with you, no.

    There is a third possibility (not applicable in this case) – Banning someone so moronic, that you don’t want your space messed up by their crayon scribblings.

    Comment by Daran — October 14, 2006 @ 7:22 am | Reply

  16. Oh, yeah. You did say that before Robert, you sneaky little snake.

    Comment by Rachel — October 14, 2006 @ 10:13 am | Reply

  17. Banning someone so moronic, that you don’t want your space messed up by their crayon scribblings.

    That would fall under the category of “horribly obnoxious, Daran.

    Comment by Off Colfax — October 14, 2006 @ 2:58 pm | Reply

  18. You missed the close quote. Should that be

    That would fall under the category of “horribly obnoxious”, Daran.

    or

    That would fall under the category of “horribly obnoxious Daran”.

    ???

    Comment by Daran — October 14, 2006 @ 3:54 pm | Reply

  19. The former, of course.

    Yet another call for an editus for the rest of us, I suppose.
    😛

    Comment by Off Colfax — October 15, 2006 @ 1:08 am | Reply

  20. Jesus, thank God you were banned finally. You were such boring distraction fluff on every thread there.

    Comment by Lorelei — October 15, 2006 @ 2:30 pm | Reply

  21. Ban her!

    Comment by Robert — October 15, 2006 @ 3:04 pm | Reply

  22. It’s quite a feat, to be able to bore and distract people simultaneously.

    Comment by Tuomas — October 15, 2006 @ 3:19 pm | Reply

  23. Apparently people found your posts so incredibly dull that they were compelled to respond, over and over and over again.

    Comment by Robert — October 15, 2006 @ 3:22 pm | Reply


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