Creative Destruction

May 2, 2006

Want Citizenship? Enlist.

Filed under: Current Events,International Politics — Robert @ 3:33 am

Interesting proposal from The Futurist.

As one of the commenters notes, I think we have something like this now – but it would be fascinating to greatly widen its scope.



  1. Quotes from The Futurist:

    When they emerge as US citizens after their 6 years of service, they … could even go to college.

    I seriously doubt that most immigrant ex-military would have the academic background to be admitted to college — unless, of course, one expects to go to the Univ. of Phoenix via one’s computer.

    This is very attractive for the United States, because … [it]will be a way to separate out which illegals from Mexico truly want to become Americans and contribute positively to American society.

    Has it been demonstrated that immigrants really care about contributing to American society? Do American citizens really care about contributing to American society? Self-interest and opportunity (having a better life than back in the old country) are the prime motivators for immigration. For citizens born here, support of American society is merely a default posture.

    It will irritate the corrupt elite in Mexico, as the people who otherwise were a burden on the public services in the US will now be strengthening America, and may even gain the political clout to influence change in Mexico in the more distant future.

    Why is irritating the corrupt Mexican elite in America’s interest? And most certainly, Mexicans in the U.S. already influence change in Mexico. Billions of dollars flow out of the U.S. economy right now as immigrants send money to their families in the Mexico. That’s a pretty significant influence (to immigrate, if nothing else).

    It will infuriate military-hating anti-Americans who deride this as a scheme to cultivate cannon fodder, even as Mexicans who participate will have done so by choice.

    Freedom of choice is questionable when many Mexicans face real survival pressure by staying in Mexico. Further, my worst fear would be that, since we already tend to treat aliens (legal or not) as endowed with fewer rights than citizens, alien military would indeed come to be viewed as cannon fodder, especially as the U.S. continues to prosecute its dishonorable wars. And what is a “military-hating anti-American”? In reverse, to be pro-American means to be pro-military?

    The Futurist admits that the proposal is as yet a flawed concept, but several of the preliminary arguments put forward could easily be turned around, IMO, undermining the entire idea rather handily.

    Comment by Brutus — May 2, 2006 @ 10:48 am | Reply

  2. And what is a “military-hating anti-American”?

    Don’t worry, Brutus. That’s just a code-phrase many right-wing pundits have for the American Left. One of their most successful memes, to be perfectly honest.

    Hells, I was calling up military recruiters yesterday to see if they were going to show up at the various rallies on Monday. Figured it would be a fairly good opportunity for them, as one of the most assured paths to citizenship lie through the military.

    Comment by Off Colfax — May 2, 2006 @ 3:07 pm | Reply

  3. For citizens born here, support of American society is merely a default posture.

    Speak for yourself.

    Comment by bobhayes — May 2, 2006 @ 4:10 pm | Reply

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