Creative Destruction

April 25, 2006

Avoiding The Charge of Rape

Filed under: Current Events,The World's Oldest Profession — Robert @ 9:18 pm

With all the "to avoid being raped" guidelines floating around, it seems only fair to turn the tables around.

If you want to avoid false charges of rape, don't hire escorts for your parties. People whose job involves breaking the law are unlikely to have strong convictions against using the legal system against you if you tick them off.

If you want to avoid false charges of rape, avoid situations where you have 40 guys and 2 girls in the house. Juries who see that situation are inclined to give automatic credence to the view that something untoward was going on, or planned to go on.

If you want to avoid false charges of rape, but you insist on having massive all-guy parties where you hire prostitutes, hire women who you have hired before and know to be trustworthy – and then pay them what you promised to pay them.

If you want to avoid false charges of rape, don't prejudice the community and the neighborhood against you by shouting slurs at the people you've hired in the full sight and hearing of people who already are predisposed not to like you.

If you want to avoid false charges of rape, treat the women in your life as if they were actual human beings, instead of as sex dolls for your employment.

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10 Comments »

  1. Not quite sure how to take this post.

    Comment by Lauren — April 25, 2006 @ 10:10 pm | Reply

  2. I mean it, if that’s what you’re questioning.

    Comment by bobhayes — April 25, 2006 @ 10:16 pm | Reply


  3. If you want to avoid false charges of rape, treat the women in your life as if they were actual human beings, instead of as sex dolls for your employment.

    Hmm, agreed, but is this really connected to false charges of rape?

    Sounds needlessly petty way to get revenge for chauvinism, if you ask me.

    Comment by Tuomas — April 25, 2006 @ 11:02 pm | Reply

  4. Not really, Tuomas. I think Bob’s (*cough* I have problems calling you Bob) really pointing out how some men’s bad behavior, i.e. ego and entitlement, really cuts down their credibility when they claim innocence in the face of an assault accusation.

    I also see how this can be turned around to question the accusers as well (not like they aren’t under scutiny anyway).

    Comment by Lauren — April 25, 2006 @ 11:25 pm | Reply

  5. *cough* I have problems calling you Bob

    Call me “Tuomas”, then.

    I also see how this can be turned around to question the accusers as well

    Yeah, I don’t really mind doing that. People lie. People are scum. I have no brief for the “but women never…” OR the “oh those poor boys…” camps. Both are living in fantasyland.

    But it is very clear that the balance of criticism and judgment is heavily, and inappropriately, weighed against women in rape cases, and not men. The correct course of action there is to correct the balance, not to forego judgment.

    Comment by Robert — April 26, 2006 @ 3:09 am | Reply

  6. Robert, you surprise me. This is the first time I’ve agreed with you in, oh, forever.

    Comment by Lauren — April 26, 2006 @ 10:41 am | Reply

  7. I don’t know if itis your intent, but it looks like an underhand way of saying that the complainant in the Duke case is a false accuser, without actually saying so.

    With all the “to avoid being raped” guidelines floating around, it seems only fair to turn the tables around.

    No problem with that, except that for each piece of advice, I’d like to see some evidence that this really is a risk factor.

    If you want to avoid false charges of rape, don’t hire escorts for your parties. People whose job involves breaking the law are unlikely to have strong convictions against using the legal system against you if you tick them off.

    That’s a prejudicial statement. You could just as convincingly argue that people whose job involves breaking the law are likely to be known to the police and regarded by them as dishonest.

    Comment by Daran — April 26, 2006 @ 9:48 pm | Reply

  8. Daran, the intention behind the post was “if the Duke boys are telling the truth, and this is a false accusation, then the following statements would be good (if retrospective) advice.” I remain firmly agnostic about what happened; I have a theory as to what is likely, but it is a theory based purely on gut instinct, not reason, and so I’m not spreading it publicly. (I’ll just say “ha, I knew it!” if it turns out to be the case.)

    Comment by bobhayes — April 26, 2006 @ 9:52 pm | Reply

  9. I have a problem with the Fraternal order of Date Rapers,having played music at some frat partys we felt like prostitutes as a band.Mix horny boys and too much booze the results can become much more violent than the hang overs . The frat house should be busted so maybe some of the guys learn that “boys can be boys” doesn’t include rape of any sort to any being.The defence in rape cases is an offencive way of buying justice and ruining lives .

    Comment by dots — April 27, 2006 @ 11:42 am | Reply

  10. bobhayes:

    Daran, the intention behind the post was “if the Duke boys are telling the truth, and this is a false accusation, then the following statements would be good (if retrospective) advice.”

    Retrospective advice is never helpful.

    Whether it is good *general* advice or not does not depends upon what actually happened in the Duke case, but upon whether you have correctly identified the major risk factors and recommended appropriate measures to mitigate them.

    (I’ll just say “ha, I knew it!” if it turns out to be the case.)

    And I’ll demand that you prove that you really knew it, and sit back and enjoy your frustration at not being able to say “I told you so”.

    Comment by Daran — May 1, 2006 @ 5:54 pm | Reply


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