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	<title>Comments on: Six Points About NYC&#8217;s Banning Trans-Fats In Restaurants</title>
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		<title>By: Glaivester</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/six-points-about-nycs-banning-trans-fats-in-restaurants/#comment-19708</link>
		<dc:creator>Glaivester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, let me rephrase that.  Ampersand touched on a lot of good points here, but I wanted to elaborate on that particular one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, let me rephrase that.  Ampersand touched on a lot of good points here, but I wanted to elaborate on that particular one.</p>
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		<title>By: Glaivester</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/six-points-about-nycs-banning-trans-fats-in-restaurants/#comment-19707</link>
		<dc:creator>Glaivester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one point that Ampersand touched on here is a good one.  Many restaurants will probably just substitute saturated fats for transfats, which I doubt will be any healthier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one point that Ampersand touched on here is a good one.  Many restaurants will probably just substitute saturated fats for transfats, which I doubt will be any healthier.</p>
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		<title>By: Milestone &#171; Creative Destruction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milestone &#171; Creative Destruction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brandon Berg</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/six-points-about-nycs-banning-trans-fats-in-restaurants/#comment-19447</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an intervention like this, how meaningful is a statistic like number of lives saved, anyway?It&#039;s not like SIDS, where the baby either suddenly dies or goes on to live a normal life. All this can do is push back a fatal heart attack by...well...your guess is as good as mine, but I doubt it&#039;s much. Seems like years of life saved would be a better measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an intervention like this, how meaningful is a statistic like number of lives saved, anyway?It&#8217;s not like SIDS, where the baby either suddenly dies or goes on to live a normal life. All this can do is push back a fatal heart attack by&#8230;well&#8230;your guess is as good as mine, but I doubt it&#8217;s much. Seems like years of life saved would be a better measure.</p>
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		<title>By: ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/six-points-about-nycs-banning-trans-fats-in-restaurants/#comment-19443</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually estimates of lives saved end up being underestimates.

For example, the number of lives saved by a smoking ban in Pueblo, Colorado was far beyond the expectations of those who implemented it.  Ditto the number of lives saved by SIDS public advertising campaigns (around a 50% drop) and a move away from hormone treatment for menopause (breast cancer down 7% in one year)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually estimates of lives saved end up being underestimates.</p>
<p>For example, the number of lives saved by a smoking ban in Pueblo, Colorado was far beyond the expectations of those who implemented it.  Ditto the number of lives saved by SIDS public advertising campaigns (around a 50% drop) and a move away from hormone treatment for menopause (breast cancer down 7% in one year)</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Berg</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/six-points-about-nycs-banning-trans-fats-in-restaurants/#comment-19426</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And no one knows how to make trans-fat-free donuts that taste as good.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I doubt this very much. I would expect any naturally saturated fat to work at least as well as vegetable shortening. I believe donuts were traditionally made with lard (or maybe tallow or chicken fat for Kosher donuts?). Palm oil would probably be a reasonable vegetarian alternative.

I believe what they mean is that no one knows how to make a good-tasting donut that won&#039;t get the PCRM or CSPI on their case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And no one knows how to make trans-fat-free donuts that taste as good.</p></blockquote>
<p>I doubt this very much. I would expect any naturally saturated fat to work at least as well as vegetable shortening. I believe donuts were traditionally made with lard (or maybe tallow or chicken fat for Kosher donuts?). Palm oil would probably be a reasonable vegetarian alternative.</p>
<p>I believe what they mean is that no one knows how to make a good-tasting donut that won&#8217;t get the PCRM or CSPI on their case.</p>
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		<title>By: Brutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ampersand wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;NYC Mayor Bloomburg says “We’re not trying to take away anybody’s ability to go out and have the kind of food they want in the quantities they want.” It must be nice to be that free of distressing reality. Next, Mayor Bloomburg will explain how speeding laws aren’t trying to take away anyone’s ability to drive as fast as they want.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good point. Saying &quot;our restriction isn&#039;t meant to be a restriction&quot; is utter nonsense.

I&#039;m glad that smoking is banned in public places in many states, because when one person smokes, so do others, even if only passively. However, banning trans fats from restaurants goes too far, IMO. Using legislation to keep people healthy (when their poor health choices don&#039;t affect anyone else) is just bad public policy. Sure, being unhealthy and missing work and having higher healthcare costs are in the aggregate a drain on productivity and the economy. Government can encourage and enable healthy living all it wants, which I support, but to enforce it is another matter more befitting a fascist state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ampersand wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>NYC Mayor Bloomburg says “We’re not trying to take away anybody’s ability to go out and have the kind of food they want in the quantities they want.” It must be nice to be that free of distressing reality. Next, Mayor Bloomburg will explain how speeding laws aren’t trying to take away anyone’s ability to drive as fast as they want.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good point. Saying &#8220;our restriction isn&#8217;t meant to be a restriction&#8221; is utter nonsense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that smoking is banned in public places in many states, because when one person smokes, so do others, even if only passively. However, banning trans fats from restaurants goes too far, IMO. Using legislation to keep people healthy (when their poor health choices don&#8217;t affect anyone else) is just bad public policy. Sure, being unhealthy and missing work and having higher healthcare costs are in the aggregate a drain on productivity and the economy. Government can encourage and enable healthy living all it wants, which I support, but to enforce it is another matter more befitting a fascist state.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They calculate #2 based on a simple formula:

Complete Bullshit + Wishful Thinking 
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Factor Pulled Out of Someone&#039;s Ass

(Or: (CB + WT) / FPOOSA)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They calculate #2 based on a simple formula:</p>
<p>Complete Bullshit + Wishful Thinking<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Factor Pulled Out of Someone&#8217;s Ass</p>
<p>(Or: (CB + WT) / FPOOSA)</p>
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