Creative Destruction

November 9, 2006

Overheard in the Liberal Blogosphere

Filed under: Blogosphere — Robert @ 3:38 pm

“Hey, we won the election! What should we do now?”

“I’m getting bored with just being snarky at grownups. Let’s really celebrate our victory. Let’s go see if we can find some eight-year old girls to shit on.”

“Great idea!”

19 Comments »

  1. I’m getting bored with just being snarky at grownups.

    Example of that.
    Described as “very appropriate”.
    But really now, what the hell are they thinking? Apart from “we’re leftist, leftists are good, therefore everything we do is good”?

    [edited]

    Comment by Tuomas — November 9, 2006 @ 4:46 pm | Reply

  2. Meh. I’ll just do to them what I’ve been doing to the extreme right for years: call them idiots and ignore them.

    Comment by Off Colfax — November 9, 2006 @ 4:50 pm | Reply

  3. Meh. I’ll just do to them what I’ve been doing to the extreme right for years: call them idiots and ignore them.

    I don’t think it’s really about whether someone is extremely leftist or extremely rightist, it’s more about the degree of ideological tribalism present. and a certain lack of humility: That is, “I could be wrong” -attitude (lack of it, specifically).

    That, and treating ones opponents and being an undifferentiated mass of “wingnuts” or “moonbats” without really attempting to listen.

    There’s plenty of moderate/centrist leftists and right-wingers who come with uncritical attitudes, and plenty of “extreme” leftists and rightwingers who are critical and independent thinkers.

    Comment by Tuomas — November 9, 2006 @ 4:58 pm | Reply

  4. That’s outrageous. Just because we don’t like the parents is no reason to mock their children. We should deny them medical care instead.

    Comment by Daran — November 9, 2006 @ 6:45 pm | Reply

  5. That’s outrageous. Just because we don’t like the parents is no reason to mock their children. We should deny them medical care instead.

    Maybe not providing an exemption in the need to file correct papers for taking ones child to hospital for Republicans would be the same as denying their children healthcare.

    Comment by Tuomas — November 9, 2006 @ 6:49 pm | Reply

  6. Tuomas, I’m afraid that last post didn’t make sense to me. Also, the post you linked to, with the photo of the little girl, wasn’t making fun of the child – it was approving of the child’s rebellious attitude.

    Comment by Ampersand — November 9, 2006 @ 7:10 pm | Reply

  7. 1) Photo of the little girl wasn’t making fun of her, it was an example of snarkiness towards grownups.

    Implication: Democrats are little girls who are flipping the bird to grownups. Childish and petulant.

    2)

    Maybe not providing an exemption in the need to file correct papers for taking ones child to hospital for Republicans would be the same as denying their children healthcare.

    Implication: There should be exemption to the need to file correct forms for Republican parents, because they are dumb and can’t file them correctly.

    I’m ruthlessly mocking all of you from my lofty perch. Or playing on stereotypes about typical voters (Democrats as juvenile and petulant, Republicans as dumb)

    Comment by Tuomas — November 9, 2006 @ 7:17 pm | Reply

  8. I should clarify that in my first comment what follows after described as “very appropriate” refers to the post at Feministe, while what is before that refers specifically to being snarky at grownups.

    Comment by Tuomas — November 9, 2006 @ 7:19 pm | Reply

  9. Also, the post you linked to, with the photo of the little girl, wasn’t making fun of the child – it was approving of the child’s rebellious attitude.

    What rebellious attitude? It looked like it was joking about her crying.

    I thought the issue between Tuomas and Daran had to do with the issue of people being upset about illegal immigrants taking free medical care. (Daran was saying that Democrats only make fun of little girls whose fathers are Republicans, Republicans won’t let little girls get health care if their parents are illegal, and Tuomas pointed out that he simply thought that illegal aliens should be prosecuted if they refuse to fill out proper papers when receiving medical care, and that Republicans were under the same threat of law).

    Comment by Glaivester — November 11, 2006 @ 9:14 am | Reply

  10. Republicans as dumb

    Sigh. You know, there was a time, back in the Precambrian, when the stereotype of Republicans was hard headed and practical but heartless. Back in the days when the Reps were the party of fiscal responsibility and libertarianism. Guess that’s changed…even so, I thought the stereotype of the Republicans was blood-thirsty war mongers who liked to torture children in their spare time.

    Comment by Dianne — November 11, 2006 @ 9:31 am | Reply

  11. Glaivester:
    I really wrote in a muddled way in my clarification (#8) about the first comment.
    What I meant that my link, which was to Feministing, not Feministe, was about a little girl showing a middle finger. Thus, I wondered if they consider that “appropriate”, aren’t they admitting they’re (feminists, Democrats…) a bunch of little girls who give the finger to their opponents (presumably grown-ups, Republicans, conservatives)?

    But really now, what the hell are they thinking? Apart from “we’re leftist, leftists are good, therefore everything we do is good”?

    This, on the other hand, referred to the link Robert provided (about mocking the “crybaby”), and if you follow the thread there, the dishonesty is nothing but stunning: You know, it wasn’t really directed at the girl, but Rick Santorum.
    That’s about as convincing as Ann Althouse’s insistence (in the “Boobiegate”) that making jokes about “the intern” and her behaviour of “thrusting the breasts forward” wasn’t directed at her AT ALL but at Bill Clinton.

    (Daran was saying that Democrats only make fun of little girls whose fathers are Republicans, Republicans won’t let little girls get health care if their parents are illegal, and Tuomas pointed out that he simply thought that illegal aliens should be prosecuted if they refuse to fill out proper papers when receiving medical care, and that Republicans were under the same threat of law).

    This is correct.
    Dianne:

    even so, I thought the stereotype of the Republicans was blood-thirsty war mongers who liked to torture children in their spare time.

    Baby-murdering terrorist appeaser!
    But no, the stereotype about “dumbness” is still in full effect (in the far-left blogosphere which denies the existence of intelligence and IQ).

    Comment by Tuomas — November 11, 2006 @ 12:29 pm | Reply

  12. Implication: Democrats are little girls who are flipping the bird to grownups. Childish and petulant.

    Well, thank goodness you’re not endorsing political stereotypes.

    I doubt anyone denies that there are concepts called “intelligence” and “IQ” which exist. The surface debate is over what, exactly, intelligence means, and whether or not IQ is a good measure of it.

    The underlying debate is over whether Black people are biologically stupider than white people, as some far-right people believe, or whether in an equal and racially fair society there’d be no significant correlations between race and measured intelligence, as leftists believe.

    Comment by Ampersand — November 11, 2006 @ 5:42 pm | Reply

  13. Well, thank goodness you’re not endorsing political stereotypes.

    I’m not really endorsing them, because I think the implication presented therein is over-the-top ridiculous.

    Comment by Tuomas — November 11, 2006 @ 6:29 pm | Reply

  14. Glaivester:

    I thought the issue between Tuomas and Daran had to do with the issue of people being upset about illegal immigrants taking free medical care.

    Er, so. The following summary is substantively accurate, the above isn’t. (Hint: It’s about healthcare for indigent citizens.)

    (Daran was saying that Democrats only make fun of little girls whose fathers are Republicans, Republicans won’t let little girls get health care if their parents are illegal,…

    Specifically those little girls (and little boys) born in the USA, and therefore citizens under US law.

    …and Tuomas pointed out that he simply thought that illegal aliens should be prosecuted if they refuse to fill out proper papers when receiving medical care, and that Republicans were under the same threat of law).

    Actually Tuomas and I reached agreement on this issue.

    For what it’s worth, I thought the feministe thread was pretty despicable. However I think it dishonest to portray this as what Democrats do vs. what Republicans do. The blogospheric remarks of a few Democratic Party supporters are not at the same level as the policy of a Republican Government.

    Comment by Daran — November 11, 2006 @ 10:32 pm | Reply

  15. Actually Tuomas and I reached agreement on this issue.

    Alas appears to be down, but now that Daran mentions it, I did say that I agreed with him that this is sort of “worst of both worlds” as, the baby gets citizenship because his/her parent(s) snuck in illegally, but not possibly healthcare (assuming the parent doesn’t file the papers), (which in turn, will result to increased expenses as the citizen grows up untreated).

    I do not think that it is fair (as Amp did) to blame this completely on evil Republicans leaving aside the moral culpability of the illegal parents, which I criticized him of.

    I oppose Jus Soli for all countries on principle, because of its perverse illegal immigration increasing effect, for one, and because citizenship should mean something.

    Comment by Tuomas — November 11, 2006 @ 10:46 pm | Reply

  16. For what it’s worth, I thought the feministe thread was pretty despicable. However I think it dishonest to portray this as what Democrats do vs. what Republicans do. The blogospheric remarks of a few Democratic Party supporters are not at the same level as the policy of a Republican Government.

    I don’t think it was portrayed as such comparison.

    Comment by Tuomas — November 11, 2006 @ 10:48 pm | Reply

  17. Me:

    For what it’s worth, I thought the feministe thread was pretty despicable. However I think it dishonest to portray this as what Democrats do vs. what Republicans do. The blogospheric remarks of a few Democratic Party supporters are not at the same level as the policy of a Republican Government.

    Tuomas:

    I don’t think it was portrayed as such comparison.

    Here’s how Glaivester framed my point:

    “Democrats only make fun of little girls whose fathers are Republicans, Republicans won’t let little girls get health care if their parents are illegal”

    I dispute that “Democrats [...] make fun of little girls” in so far as that asserts a generality. It’s not Democratic policy to make fun of little girls. Nor is it, to my knowledge, typical behaviour of Democrats to make fun of little girls. A small number of individual Democrats made fun of a little girl. That’s despicable, but it’s not the responsibility of Democrats collectively.

    The denial of healthcare to citizen children of illegal immigrants, on the other hand, is Republican policy, is an expression of Republican values, and is a consequence of the electoral support given to their party by Republican voters. Republicans are collectively responsible for this policy.

    Comment by Daran — November 12, 2006 @ 5:15 am | Reply

  18. I dispute that “Democrats […] make fun of little girls” in so far as that asserts a generality.

    Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that I actually thought it was generally true of Democrats. Your original post (#4) seemed to be comparing the two actions (making fun and denying health care) but not arguing over whether or not it was typical Democratic behavior, so in trying to explain what you were saying, I only addressed the first point (in essence, I assumed the idea was that we were temporarily assuming for agument’s sake that it was typical Democratic behavior, because that was not the point we were addressing, and the assumption made your point stand out clearer).

    Comment by Glaivester — November 15, 2006 @ 8:42 pm | Reply

  19. Your original post (#4) seemed to be comparing the two actions (making fun and denying health care)

    My intention was to compare the comments on Feministe, with comments (on the baby healthcare thread on Alas), made by critics of the feministe posters – a like for like comparison. Had I said “We should advocate that they be denied medical care instead”, my remark would have lost ironic force.

    The contrast I drew here was worthwhile nevertheless. To often Republicans criticise the motes in Democrats’ eyes.

    Comment by Daran — November 16, 2006 @ 2:37 am | Reply


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