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		<title>By: NoPornNorthampton</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/no-porn-doesnt-prevent-rape/#comment-46815</link>
		<dc:creator>NoPornNorthampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 01:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NoPornNorthampton.org provides a variety of rebuttals to arguments such as Professor D&#039;Amato&#039;s:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://nopornnorthampton.org/2007/04/21/how-spread-of-porn-could-give-the-illusion-that-rape-is-in-decline.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How Spread of Porn Could Give the Illusion that Rape is in Decline (explicit language)&lt;/a&gt;
Indications from books like Unhooked or Female Chauvinist Pigs suggest that many women in our present age, understandably, prefer to conceive of themselves as powerful and in control, not as victims. Female members of the porn industry like Lizzy Borden fuel this image of woman as dominator, as opposed to the dominated. A woman acknowledging she was made to have sex against her will, whether to police or to a survey-taker, would not be compatible with this self-image. We observe that sexual assault is both widespread and a substantially underreported crime...

We can hypothesize that as women adopt the promiscuous, callous lifestyle advocated by porn, they will be less likely to report instances of rape. This might be in part because porn trains people to expect discourteous behavior in sex, and in part because of widespread beliefs that ‘loose’ women have little credibility when it comes to accusations of rape. A raped woman has every reason to fear that her sexual history might be mercilessly worked over in court (and/or public opinion) during a trial, especially if that history is long and messy. For reasons like these, one cannot conclude from mere correlation that porn truly reduces the incidence of sexual assault. There is no unambiguous logical connection between the two...

It is easy to see how the propagation of rape myths would decrease reporting of rape. The victim might not be sure that an actual crime occurred, or even if they did, might not feel that our legal system will recognize their injury.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://nopornnorthampton.org/2007/04/14/united-kingdom-a-glaring-counterexample-to-the-theory-that-internet-porn-is-cathartic.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;United Kingdom: A Glaring Counter-Example to the Theory that Internet Porn is Cathartic&lt;/a&gt;
Law professor Anthony D&#039;Amato, and more recently Todd Kendall of Clemson University, have attempted to correlate increased Internet penetration with decreasing rates of rape. Since the Internet is a major vector for porn, they suggest that more porn in the home means fewer people will rape. In short, they claim that porn is cathartic.

We have already discussed some of the flaws in this argument, the origins of which go back over 30 years. A new counter-example has recently come to our attention. Between 2000-2005, the number of Internet users in the United Kingdom increased from 15.4 million to 35.8 million (InternetWorldStats). During this time, the overall population only grew from 58.8 million to 59.9 million, so the proportion of Internet users in the population grew from 26% to 60%.

If the D&#039;Amato/Kendall theory was correct, you would expect a measurable decrease in the number of reported rapes. However, the opposite trend was seen. In the period 1999-2000, just under 8,000 rapes of a female were reported in England and Wales. This level then increased every year until by the 2005-2006 period, over 13,000 rapes of a female were reported (Home Office Crime Statistics). This was during a time when the overall population increased by just 2%.

In Scotland, the trend of recorded rapes is similar. After dipping slightly between the 1999-2000 and 2000-2001 reporting periods, rapes recorded by police increased every year through the 2005-2006 reporting period (Scottish Executive). Overall, recorded rapes increased from just under 600 in 1999-2000 to just under 1,000 in 2005-2006.

Government officials in the United Kingdom believe that some of the increases in recorded rapes are due to improved reporting of crimes. Factors like these underscore the risks of drawing simple conclusions from apparent correlations between changes in reported crime rates and changes in other phenomena. The challenges are especially great when discussing heavily underreported crimes such as rape and domestic assault.

When combined with personal testimony and scientific experiments, the balance of the data suggests that porn stimulates rape and confuses people about what&#039;s acceptable behavior (such as whether to take no for an answer during sex). It certainly cannot be concluded that porn reduces rape.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://nopornnorthampton.org/2007/01/13/porn-and-sex-crimes-in-other-countries-the-historical-experience.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Porn and Sex Crimes in Other Countries: The Historical Experience&lt;/a&gt;
Porn advocates are usually quieter about the results of studies of Sweden, Great Britain, New Zealand and Australia, where &quot;as the constraints on the availability of pornography were lifted...the rates of rape in those countries increased.&quot;[35] For example, in two Australian states between 1964 and 1977, when South Australia liberalized its laws on pornography and Queensland maintained its conservative policy...over the thirteen-year period, the number of rapes in Queensland remained at the same low level while South Australia’s showed a sixfold increase.&quot;[36]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NoPornNorthampton.org provides a variety of rebuttals to arguments such as Professor D&#8217;Amato&#8217;s:</p>
<p><a href="http://nopornnorthampton.org/2007/04/21/how-spread-of-porn-could-give-the-illusion-that-rape-is-in-decline.aspx" rel="nofollow">How Spread of Porn Could Give the Illusion that Rape is in Decline (explicit language)</a><br />
Indications from books like Unhooked or Female Chauvinist Pigs suggest that many women in our present age, understandably, prefer to conceive of themselves as powerful and in control, not as victims. Female members of the porn industry like Lizzy Borden fuel this image of woman as dominator, as opposed to the dominated. A woman acknowledging she was made to have sex against her will, whether to police or to a survey-taker, would not be compatible with this self-image. We observe that sexual assault is both widespread and a substantially underreported crime&#8230;</p>
<p>We can hypothesize that as women adopt the promiscuous, callous lifestyle advocated by porn, they will be less likely to report instances of rape. This might be in part because porn trains people to expect discourteous behavior in sex, and in part because of widespread beliefs that ‘loose’ women have little credibility when it comes to accusations of rape. A raped woman has every reason to fear that her sexual history might be mercilessly worked over in court (and/or public opinion) during a trial, especially if that history is long and messy. For reasons like these, one cannot conclude from mere correlation that porn truly reduces the incidence of sexual assault. There is no unambiguous logical connection between the two&#8230;</p>
<p>It is easy to see how the propagation of rape myths would decrease reporting of rape. The victim might not be sure that an actual crime occurred, or even if they did, might not feel that our legal system will recognize their injury.</p>
<p><a href="http://nopornnorthampton.org/2007/04/14/united-kingdom-a-glaring-counterexample-to-the-theory-that-internet-porn-is-cathartic.aspx" rel="nofollow">United Kingdom: A Glaring Counter-Example to the Theory that Internet Porn is Cathartic</a><br />
Law professor Anthony D&#8217;Amato, and more recently Todd Kendall of Clemson University, have attempted to correlate increased Internet penetration with decreasing rates of rape. Since the Internet is a major vector for porn, they suggest that more porn in the home means fewer people will rape. In short, they claim that porn is cathartic.</p>
<p>We have already discussed some of the flaws in this argument, the origins of which go back over 30 years. A new counter-example has recently come to our attention. Between 2000-2005, the number of Internet users in the United Kingdom increased from 15.4 million to 35.8 million (InternetWorldStats). During this time, the overall population only grew from 58.8 million to 59.9 million, so the proportion of Internet users in the population grew from 26% to 60%.</p>
<p>If the D&#8217;Amato/Kendall theory was correct, you would expect a measurable decrease in the number of reported rapes. However, the opposite trend was seen. In the period 1999-2000, just under 8,000 rapes of a female were reported in England and Wales. This level then increased every year until by the 2005-2006 period, over 13,000 rapes of a female were reported (Home Office Crime Statistics). This was during a time when the overall population increased by just 2%.</p>
<p>In Scotland, the trend of recorded rapes is similar. After dipping slightly between the 1999-2000 and 2000-2001 reporting periods, rapes recorded by police increased every year through the 2005-2006 reporting period (Scottish Executive). Overall, recorded rapes increased from just under 600 in 1999-2000 to just under 1,000 in 2005-2006.</p>
<p>Government officials in the United Kingdom believe that some of the increases in recorded rapes are due to improved reporting of crimes. Factors like these underscore the risks of drawing simple conclusions from apparent correlations between changes in reported crime rates and changes in other phenomena. The challenges are especially great when discussing heavily underreported crimes such as rape and domestic assault.</p>
<p>When combined with personal testimony and scientific experiments, the balance of the data suggests that porn stimulates rape and confuses people about what&#8217;s acceptable behavior (such as whether to take no for an answer during sex). It certainly cannot be concluded that porn reduces rape.</p>
<p><a href="http://nopornnorthampton.org/2007/01/13/porn-and-sex-crimes-in-other-countries-the-historical-experience.aspx" rel="nofollow">Porn and Sex Crimes in Other Countries: The Historical Experience</a><br />
Porn advocates are usually quieter about the results of studies of Sweden, Great Britain, New Zealand and Australia, where &#8221;as the constraints on the availability of pornography were lifted&#8230;the rates of rape in those countries increased.&#8221;[35] For example, in two Australian states between 1964 and 1977, when South Australia liberalized its laws on pornography and Queensland maintained its conservative policy&#8230;over the thirteen-year period, the number of rapes in Queensland remained at the same low level while South Australia’s showed a sixfold increase.&#8221;[36]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Nolan</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/no-porn-doesnt-prevent-rape/#comment-19485</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it was spam?  I&#039;m disappointed.  I get very lonely at Christmas, and I thought I&#039;d found a friend.  I was going to ask Karan if I might bring some videos over to her place on Christmas Day for the two of us to watch together.  Some real collector&#039;s items for her to feast her eyes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it was spam?  I&#8217;m disappointed.  I get very lonely at Christmas, and I thought I&#8217;d found a friend.  I was going to ask Karan if I might bring some videos over to her place on Christmas Day for the two of us to watch together.  Some real collector&#8217;s items for her to feast her eyes on.</p>
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		<title>By: Daran</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/no-porn-doesnt-prevent-rape/#comment-19385</link>
		<dc:creator>Daran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her post was caught in moderation.  It didn&#039;t look like spam, so I approved it.  Thanks for the head&#039;s up, and feel free to delete a ninth, if you wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her post was caught in moderation.  It didn&#8217;t look like spam, so I approved it.  Thanks for the head&#8217;s up, and feel free to delete a ninth, if you wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/no-porn-doesnt-prevent-rape/#comment-19366</link>
		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen is a total spammer, by the way; I deleted 8 copies of this exact same comment, posted to 8 different threads, on &quot;Alas.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen is a total spammer, by the way; I deleted 8 copies of this exact same comment, posted to 8 different threads, on &#8220;Alas.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Nolan</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/no-porn-doesnt-prevent-rape/#comment-19354</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hi dear,

How are you doing?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m doing ok, apart from the fact my haemmohroids have been playing me up again, and I&#039;ve got nowhere to go this Christmas.  Musn&#039;t grumble, though.  How are YOU doing, dear?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Our Country is a great nation; its culture, traditions &amp; heritage have been very glorious since the past but as for now, it is facing a non-stop assault by the evil of pornography &amp; obscenity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So true, so true.  As I wander the littered streets of Europe&#039;s most rain-sodden offshore island I often reflect on its radiant cultural glory and the danger posed to it by Pornography.  Sorry, by the Evil of Pornography (one has to make these distinctions: &quot;The Daleks&quot;, for instance, is a totally different story-line from &quot;The Evil of the Daleks&quot;.)  Or did you have another country in mind?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Let us make sanity and chastity 
prevail&lt;/blockquote&gt;

with this all-in-one straitjacket and chastity belt!

&lt;blockquote&gt;The saying –“God created man &amp; man created sin” – suits fine here, right? So, please help stop porn before society sinks into the depths of horror that humankind has never seen before.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, I couldn&#039;t agree more.  Pictures of men and women having sex, the horror, the horror.  And the worst of it is - that&#039;s just the pictures: apparently their are countless lost souls who actually see these things without the aid of photographic reproductions, they see it all live - because they&#039;re actually doing it!  We have to remember that so-called &quot;ordinary&quot; pornography is wicked for the same reason that snuff pornography is wicked: not because it&#039;s a photographic reproduction, but because it&#039;s a photographic reproduction of an EVIL ACT!

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hundreds have already joined me and I know you will do the same – thank you&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Consider me on your side.  Are you going to invite me over for Christmas, then?  Dear?

Merry Christmas from your friend and devotee

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hi dear,</p>
<p>How are you doing?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m doing ok, apart from the fact my haemmohroids have been playing me up again, and I&#8217;ve got nowhere to go this Christmas.  Musn&#8217;t grumble, though.  How are YOU doing, dear?</p>
<blockquote><p>Our Country is a great nation; its culture, traditions &amp; heritage have been very glorious since the past but as for now, it is facing a non-stop assault by the evil of pornography &amp; obscenity.</p></blockquote>
<p>So true, so true.  As I wander the littered streets of Europe&#8217;s most rain-sodden offshore island I often reflect on its radiant cultural glory and the danger posed to it by Pornography.  Sorry, by the Evil of Pornography (one has to make these distinctions: &#8220;The Daleks&#8221;, for instance, is a totally different story-line from &#8220;The Evil of the Daleks&#8221;.)  Or did you have another country in mind?</p>
<blockquote><p>Let us make sanity and chastity<br />
prevail</p></blockquote>
<p>with this all-in-one straitjacket and chastity belt!</p>
<blockquote><p>The saying –“God created man &amp; man created sin” – suits fine here, right? So, please help stop porn before society sinks into the depths of horror that humankind has never seen before.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  Pictures of men and women having sex, the horror, the horror.  And the worst of it is &#8211; that&#8217;s just the pictures: apparently their are countless lost souls who actually see these things without the aid of photographic reproductions, they see it all live &#8211; because they&#8217;re actually doing it!  We have to remember that so-called &#8220;ordinary&#8221; pornography is wicked for the same reason that snuff pornography is wicked: not because it&#8217;s a photographic reproduction, but because it&#8217;s a photographic reproduction of an EVIL ACT!</p>
<blockquote><p>Hundreds have already joined me and I know you will do the same – thank you</p></blockquote>
<p>Consider me on your side.  Are you going to invite me over for Christmas, then?  Dear?</p>
<p>Merry Christmas from your friend and devotee</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Karan Kapoor</title>
		<link>http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/no-porn-doesnt-prevent-rape/#comment-19299</link>
		<dc:creator>Karan Kapoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi dear,

How are you doing?

Well, I always wanted 2 share my views with all 2 know – if they are really worth and of any value – probably u r the 1 who’s gonna answer me! Please do say something for me; i’ll await your answer.

Our Country is a great nation; its culture, traditions &amp; heritage have been very glorious since the past but as for now, it is facing a non-stop assault by the evil of pornography &amp; obscenity. Our youths have become its target &amp; falling prey to it, hence causing an irreparable damage to our nation’s true values and spoiling our society!

Pornography is plainly responsible for the great upsurge in sin &amp; sexual violence on women all across the world. Youth, under the influence of pornographic literature, Websites, &amp; films are beginning to see women as objects of sexual pleasure &amp; fantasy; thus leaving women feeling more ‘n’ more unsecured. 

Please join me in stopping this! Let us make sanity and chastity prevail and prevent porn. Let us not damage this image and preserve it for glory! A coordinated &amp; well-planned approach with active support from the government and public is required here. It will work wonders, if all women join hands for this &amp; all men come forward to support it. 

The saying –“God created man &amp; man created sin” – suits fine here, right? So, please help stop porn before society sinks into the depths of horror that humankind has never seen before. I request you to kindly do the needful to save our great &amp; magnificent nation &amp; its invaluable treasures of culture, tradition and moral values. Join me to support this cause at: http://www.jantaraj.com/raghurammalladi/defaultpet.asp?pid=358  

(Hundreds have already joined me and I know you will do the same – thank you)

Your friend,

Karan Kapoor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi dear,</p>
<p>How are you doing?</p>
<p>Well, I always wanted 2 share my views with all 2 know – if they are really worth and of any value – probably u r the 1 who’s gonna answer me! Please do say something for me; i’ll await your answer.</p>
<p>Our Country is a great nation; its culture, traditions &amp; heritage have been very glorious since the past but as for now, it is facing a non-stop assault by the evil of pornography &amp; obscenity. Our youths have become its target &amp; falling prey to it, hence causing an irreparable damage to our nation’s true values and spoiling our society!</p>
<p>Pornography is plainly responsible for the great upsurge in sin &amp; sexual violence on women all across the world. Youth, under the influence of pornographic literature, Websites, &amp; films are beginning to see women as objects of sexual pleasure &amp; fantasy; thus leaving women feeling more ‘n’ more unsecured. </p>
<p>Please join me in stopping this! Let us make sanity and chastity prevail and prevent porn. Let us not damage this image and preserve it for glory! A coordinated &amp; well-planned approach with active support from the government and public is required here. It will work wonders, if all women join hands for this &amp; all men come forward to support it. </p>
<p>The saying –“God created man &amp; man created sin” – suits fine here, right? So, please help stop porn before society sinks into the depths of horror that humankind has never seen before. I request you to kindly do the needful to save our great &amp; magnificent nation &amp; its invaluable treasures of culture, tradition and moral values. Join me to support this cause at: <a href="http://www.jantaraj.com/raghurammalladi/defaultpet.asp?pid=358" rel="nofollow">http://www.jantaraj.com/raghurammalladi/defaultpet.asp?pid=358</a>  </p>
<p>(Hundreds have already joined me and I know you will do the same – thank you)</p>
<p>Your friend,</p>
<p>Karan Kapoor</p>
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